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发表于 2007-1-14 12:52:08 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
The Reason Why Planets And Moons Move In The Same Direction                        
                                         Wang Taihai
Abstract:
The main features of our solar system are  that the planets all circle around the sun in the same direction, so as do most of their moons, and the planets all lie more or less in the same plane of the sun’s equator. For centuries scientists have tried to find a theory for the solar system origin that can explain these features. Any theory that could not explain these features were usually rejected. But by force analysis, the author of this article found that these main features are not the reflection of the origin of our solar system as most theories hypothesized but are the results of its movement mechanism. The author found that if a planet does not circle in the plane of the sun's own rotation and circle the sun counterclockwise, it will not be stable and its course will be deflected. The moving pattern of our solar system determines these main features. Only in this moving pattern can the solar system survive.

Key words: the Sun, the Origin of the Solar System, the Coriolis Force

Up to now, theories for the origin of our solar system have tried to explain its main features that the planets all revolve around the sun in the same direction, so as do most of their moons, and the planets all lie more or less in the same plane of the sun’s equator. Most theories can explain these features well but can’t adequately explain some other chemical or physical phenomena. In this article I would prove that these features are not the reflection of our solar system origin but the results of its movement mechanism.

By force analysis, we will find that whatever direction an alien celestial body intrudes upon our solar system, if it is captured by the sun or by a planet it will keep changing its orbit till it circles in the same direction and in the same plane as the already existent planets and moons do.

To simplify the discussion, let’s take a look what will happen if the moon is not circling around the earth as it does now. (Let's call the direction in which  all the planets circle  around the sun counterclockwise. The opposite moving direction to the sun is clockwise.)

First, let’s suppose the moon’s orbit around the earth is vertical to the plane of the earth’s orbit and the direction is clockwise.



Because the earth is moving around the sun counterclockwise, the vertically moving moon will be deflected by the Coriolis force(1) and its orbit around the earth will tilt rightward since it is clockwise and will become counterclockwise around the earth eventually. The Coriolis force will continue deflect the moon until its orbit overlaps the plane of the sun's equator. Ultimately the moon will circle the earth counterclockwise in the plane of the earth’s orbit as it almost already does now.

Now, let’s suppose the moon’s orbit around the earth is vertical to the plane of the earth’s orbit and the direction is counterclockwise.



As illustrated above, the moon will be deflected by the Coriolis force and its orbit around the earth will tilt leftward to become counterclockwise around the earth eventually, too. The Coriolis force will continue deflect the moon until its orbit overlaps the plane of the sun's equator completely. Ultimately the moon will also circle the earth counterclockwise in the plane of the earth’s orbit.

Then, what if the moon was captured but clockwise by the earth right in the plane of the sun's equator? By force analysis, we can see that in this situation either the moon will collide with the earth or its orbit be distorted to be counterclockwise.

We know, when the moon moves around the earth, it’s also moving around the sun. Between the moon and the earth, their masses, gravitational force, distance and the moon’s relative orbit velocity to the earth must meet the Newton's law of universal gravitation and the circular motion principles. On the other hand, between the moon and the sun, their masses and motion parameters must also meet the Newton's law of universal gravitation and the circular motion principles. The relative orbit velocity of the moon can be calculated with the following formula.



Where:
V -the relative orbit velocity of the moon
F -the resultant force that dominates the moon’s motion
R -the distance between the moon and the sun or the earth
m -the mass of the moon.

Now, to simplify the problem, Let’s take four representative points A,B,M and N in the moon’s orbit for analysis. When the moon is at point M or N, its relative orbit velocity to the sun is the same as that of the earth. As the moon moves clockwise further to point A, its relative orbit tangential velocity to the sun increases to the highest. Yet at point A it gets opposite forces from the sun and the earth. So at point A, the moon gets the minimum resultant force (F) and it has a minimum distance to the sun (R), too. According the above equation, the moon should have a minimum relative orbit velocity to the sun (V). But its actual value is the highest. To balance the difference, the distance between the sun and the moon will be increased which means the distance between the moon and the earth will be decreased while the moon is within the earth’s orbit.



When we take point B for analysis, we can also find the inconformity where the moon should have a highest relative velocity to the sun but the actual value is the lowest. To balance the difference, the distance between the moon and the earth in the radius direction of the earth’s orbit will be also decreased while the moon is outside of the earth’s orbit.



From the above analysis, we can see if a moon runs but clockwise around a planet, its orbit would not be stable. By further analysis we can see its orbit will be elongated to a narrow strip by and by and the collision possibility between the moon and its planet is very high or is inevitable.

So however a moon comes to be captured by a planet, the moon can only move stably around the planet counterclockwise, as the way our moon is moving around the earth.

The above analysis accounts not only for the orbit of the moons around their planets but also accounts for the planets’ orbit around their sun. The principle is the same. The sun is running around the Milky Way Galaxy center at very high relative velocity. Any captured planet that doesn’t move within the plane of the sun’s equator will be deflected by the Coriolis force and be made run counterclockwise around the sun within its equator plane. So the main features that the planets all revolve around the sun in the same direction, as most of their moons do, and the planets all lie more or less in the same plane of the sun’s own rotation are not the result of the formation of the sun, it’s the result of the movement mechanism of our solar system.

                              Date: 2005-7-18
Notes:
(1).Coriolis force is a sidewise force exerted on a body when it moves in a rotating reference frame. It is a fictitious force because it is a by-product of measuring coordinates with respect to a rotating coordinate system as opposed to an actual push or pull.


The Contact information of the Author:
Mr. Wang Taihai
Wenzhou Entry-Exit Inspection and Quarantine Bureau of the People’s Republic of China
Address: Xingao Road, Aojiang town, Pingyang, Zhejiang, China 325401
Fax: +86 577 63638831
Email: wth@wz.ziq.gov.cn

PS.
[COLOR="Blue"]1. Some are suspicious of the Coriolis Force effect, and argued with me on Coriolis Force fiercely.
It may not be so wise for me to explain my points with Coriolis Force. So I reexplain my point in another way.
Take the second image for example.


Let’s see what will happen if the moon circles the earth freely around the earth polar orbit counterclockwise.

When the moon is right over the earth's north pole, its relative velocity (V) to the sun is the same as the earth because they are at the same orbit distance to the sun. Now the moon circles in, its centripetal force (F) to the sun is reduced. Why, because part of it is balanced off by the earth on the opposite side. On the other hand, its distance to the sun (R) is shortened now. Now let's use the formula



The F and the R are both reduced, but its velocity keeps the same as the earth. So once the moon moves in between the Sun and the Earth, the moon will have redundant velocity and will go faster than the F and R need it. The moon will go ahead of the earth.

Track man knows this principle well in the track and field running game. The first running athlete always occupies the most inner track while turning rounds so that he can keep himself ahead of others.

Now the moon is in the inner track and with the same relative velocity to the sun, it will surpass the earth. Thus moon’s orbit changes.

When the moon is ahead of the earth, universal gravitation force of the moon-earth and the moon-sun will apply a resultant force that will slow down the moon, only when the speed of the moon is adjusted down by this can the V, F and R in the above formula be kept balanced.

[COLOR="blue"]2. You did not prove that other solar system origin theories are wrong.
You are right. I have not tried to prove how other theories are wrong. That work is too wide and too wild. If mine is proved right, others will be vetoed automatically.

When being asked why  the planets all circle around the sun in the same direction, and  in the same plane of the sun’s equator,the most accepted theories tell people that it's the way they were born. They tell people that even in the state of embryo, they were already in the same plane and circled in the same direction.

I once asked a pupil why the polar bears are white, he answered in the same way:' They were born white.' And I asked an other one why the polar foxes are white then? She gave me a better answer:'Their fathers and mothers must be white.'

If we think their answers are right, either their theories or we are credulous.

3. [COLOR="blue"]How do you explain the exceptions, say there are moons move clockwise and Pluto's orbit is out of the sun’s equator plane so much.

I believe there once lived polar bears of black or brown colors within the northern pole. But only the white bears survive. This evolution was not completed in a day.

There also exist moons moving in the opposite direction today. They are the black bears. If they need to survive, they must turn themselves into white color or they would be extinct. This evolution will not be completed in the days that you and I can see.

The changes can not be significant. It can not be measured by our eyes nor apparatus available on our earth currently, I think. It can only be measured by time, not by the life time of a human being as yours or mine. Millions years later, Pluto’s orbit would not be so gradient as now.

[COLOR="blue"]4.If what you said is true, how comes that no observation on the orbit change was found before?
The orbit change is hard to be measured by apparatus. And the change is subtle.  Furthermore, no one in the world had noticed this problem before. So no observation was made in this problem, I believe.

[COLOR="Blue"]5. Physicists and Space Engineers have already solved the equations of the rotating object in space, for more than 100 years, with these equations they sent people to the moon. What would you say then?

From the date that Newton was born to today, the moon's orbit change is very small. The moon is big enough to offer a place for us landing, it must not be the right place that the solved equations defined before our departure on the earth. (how to define the word 'accuracy' in this issue we need further discussion)

[COLOR="blue"]6. If the orbits change as you said, what’s the time period for a changing orbit?
The time period for a initially clockwise palnet to change its orbit to a normal one should meet a function, I believe, though I can not offer it right now. The time should be an infinite parameter in the sense of math, for zero is the infinitesimal limit value for the Coriolis Force to reach while reducing the intersect angle between the orbits of such planets/moons and the sun. In the sense of math, this infinitesimal limit (zero) can never be reached.
The bigger the intersect angle is, the more significant the change will be. A vertically circling moon will make the most significant tilting. The tilting speed should be proportional to the differential coefficient of a function as Sin(the angle) or similar. It's not a constant.

[COLOR="blue"]7.Your analysis is rough.
Yes. It's a guideline. Further proving activities are needed, though it might not be accomplished by myself.

Some problems that we discussed and argued about may not be so hard to solve to physics scientists. So if any one here knows any of these scientists, I hope you can ask for their help. It may be a contribution to science.

[COLOR="blue"]8.Do you have any further plans to refining your article?
I have proposed an experiment to refine my analysis with quantification. I think we can make a substantial model with iron balls and run them in the way our solar system runs. Put the moons or planets at different orbit angles, and we can see the running results. And I hope anyone who has interest in this problem could help to testify the points.

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发表于 2007-1-14 15:39:53 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2007-1-14 16:06:23 | 只看该作者
理由为什么行星和卫星搬进相同的方向                        
                                         王 Taihai
摘要:
我们的太阳系的主要特征是行星全部相同的方向的太阳的周围包围, 因此同样地做他们的卫星的大部分, 和行星全部在太阳的赤道的相同飞机中或多或少躺着。 科学家已经尝试为能解释这些特征的太阳系起源找一个理论的世纪。 任何的理论无法解释这些特征通常被拒绝。 但是藉着力量分析,这一个文章的作家发现这些主要的特征不是如大多数的理论我们的太阳系的起源的反映假定但是它的运动机制的结果。作家发现,如果行星在太阳的自己旋转的飞机中不包围而且反时针方向包围太阳,它将不是稳定的,而且它的课程将会被偏斜。 我们的太阳系的感人式样决定这些主要部份特征。 只有在这个感人的式样中,太阳系能生还吗。

牛鼻子字: 太阳,太阳系的起源, 科里奥利军队

到目前为止,给我们的太阳系的起源的理论已经尝试解释行星全部相同的方向的太阳的周围考虑的它的主要特征, 因此同样地做他们的卫星的大部分, 和行星全部在太阳的赤道的相同飞机中或多或少躺着。 大多数的理论能解释这些特征涌出但是不能足够地解释一些其他的化学或实际的现象。 在这一个文章,我会证明这些特征除了它的运动机制的结果之外不是我们的太阳系起源的反映。

藉着力量分析,我们将会找一个外国的天体在我们的太阳系之上闯入的那一个每个方向, 如果它被太阳捕获,否则藉着行星它将会继续变更它的轨道,直到它在相同的方向和如同已经存在的行星一般的飞机和卫星包围做。

为了要单一化讨论, 让我们带神情将会发生什么事如果当它现在做的时候,月亮没有在地球的周围包围。 (反时针方向太阳的周围让我们在哪些所有的行星包围呼叫方向。 对太阳的相反感人的方向是顺时针方向的.)

首先, 让我们推想月亮的轨道地球的周围是对地球轨道的飞机的垂直,而且方向是顺时针的。



因为地球是反时针方向太阳的周围移动, 垂直感人的月亮将会地球的周围被科里奥利军队 (1) 和它的轨道偏斜将会向右倾斜因为它是顺时针方向的而且最后地球的周围决意变得反时针方向。 科里奥利军队将会继续使月亮偏斜直到它的轨道重叠太阳的赤道的飞机。最后当它几乎已经现在做的时候,月亮将会在地球轨道的飞机中反时针方向包围地球。

现在, 让我们推想月亮的轨道地球的周围是对地球轨道的飞机的垂直,而且方向是反时针方向。



当做举例,在上面,月亮将会被科里奥利偏斜军队,而且它的轨道地球的周围将会在左方倾斜地球的周围也最后变成反时针方向。 科里奥利军队将会继续使月亮偏斜直到它的轨道完全地重叠太阳的赤道的飞机。 最后月亮也将会在地球轨道的飞机中反时针方向包围地球。

然后, 什么如果月亮就在太阳的赤道的飞机中除了顺时针的之外被地球取得? 藉着力量分析,我们能见到,在这一种情形中月亮将会以地球碰撞或它的轨道被扭曲是反时针方向的。

我们知道,当月亮地球的周围移动的时候,它也正在太阳的周围移动。 在月亮和地球,他们的块,重力的力量, 距离和月亮的亲戚之间绕轨道而行对地球的速度一定遇见全世界引力和圆形的运动原则的牛顿法律。 另一方面, 在月亮和太阳, 他们的块和运动叁数之间也一定遇见全世界引力和圆形的运动原则的牛顿法律。 比较的轨道月亮的速度能与下列的公式一起计算。



哪里:
V-比较的轨道月亮的速度
F-支配月亮的运动的合力
R-月亮和太阳或地球之间的距离
m-月亮的块。

现在, 单一化问题, 让我们带四个代表对于分析在月亮的轨道中指出 A , B , M 和 N。当月亮是在点 M 的时候或者 N, 太阳的它的比较轨道速度相同于地球的。如月亮移动顺时针方向的促进指出一, 它的亲戚绕轨道而行对最高的对太阳增加的切线速度。 然而在点一它从太阳和地球拿相反的军队。因此在点一,月亮拿最小的合量强迫 (F) ,而且它也有对太阳 (R) 的最小距离。 根据上述的相等, 月亮应该有最小的比较轨道对太阳 (V) 的速度. 但是它的真实价值是最高的。 为了平衡不同, 太阳和月亮之间的距离将会哪一个意谓被增加当月亮在地球的轨道里面的时候,月亮和地球之间的距离将会被减少。



当我们为分析采取点 B 的时候,我们也能找月亮应该有对太阳的最高比较的速度的不一致但是真实的价值是最低的地方。 为了平衡不同,当月亮在地球的轨道外面的时候,地球轨道的半径方向的月亮和地球之间的距离也将会被减少。



如果一个月亮跑,从上述的分析,我们能见到但是顺时针方向的大约行星, 它的轨道不是马房。 藉着较进一步的分析,我们能见到 , 它的轨道将会在不久被延长到狭窄长条,而且月亮和它的行星之间的碰撞可能性非常高或者是不可避免的。

因此然而一个月亮来被行星捕获,月亮能反时针方向只有坚固地行星的周围移动,如我们的月亮正在地球的周围移动的方式。

上述的分析解释不只有对于卫星的轨道他们的行星的周围但是也他们的太阳的周围解释行星的轨道。 原则是相同的。 太阳正在非常高的比较速度的银河银河中心的周围跑。任何取得 , 不在太阳的赤道的飞机里面移动的行星将会被科里奥利军队偏斜和在它的赤道飞机里面太阳的周围被使奔跑反时针方向。因此行星全部相同的方向的太阳的周围考虑的主要的特征, 当他们的卫星的大部分做,而且行星所有的谎言或多或少在太阳的自己旋转的相同飞机中不是太阳的形成的结果之时, 它是我们的太阳系的运动机制的结果。

                              日期: 2005-7-18
注意:
(1)。当它搬进一个替换叁考框架的时候,科里奥利军队是运用一个身体的一个向一边的力量。 因为它对一个替换如真实的推所反对的同等系统是用尊敬测量坐标的副产物或者拉,所以它是一个虚构的力量。


作家的连络数据:
Taihai 王先生
温州进入-出口的检验和中华人民共和国的隔离局
住址: Xingao 道路, Aojiang 城镇, Pingyang ,浙江, 中国 325401
传真: +8657763638831
电子邮件: wth@wz.ziq.gov.cn

PS。
1. 一些猛烈地怀疑科里奥利军队效果, 而且在科里奥利军队上和我争论。
它不可能如此明智让我用科里奥利军队解释我的观点。 因此我以另外的方式再解释我的观点。
举例来说带第二个图像。


如果月亮反时针方向地球极轨道的周围自由地包围地球,让我们见到将会发生什么事。

因为他们是在相同的轨道距离,所以当月亮是正确地遍及地球的北方杆的时候,太阳的它的比较速度 (V) 相同于地球对太阳。 现在月亮圆周在, 太阳的它的向心力量 (F) 被减少。 为什么, 因为它的部份被平衡离开藉着在相反的边上地球。 另一方面,太阳 (R) 的它的距离现在被弄短。 现在让我们使用公式



F 和 R 两者都被减少,但是它的速度相同于地球保存。 因此一经月亮在太阳和地球之间搬进,月亮将会有多余的速度和将会比 F 和 R 更快速地去它。 月亮将会地球前进。

轨道男人知道在轨道和领域赛跑游戏中很好的这一项原则。 当旋转弄圆以便他能保存他自己在其它之前的时候,第一位流动的运动员总是占领最内部的轨道。

现在在内部的轨道中的月亮是而且以相同的比较速度对太阳,它将会超越地球。 如此月亮的轨道改变。

当月亮是在地球之前, 月亮的全世界引力力量-地球和月亮-太阳将会应用一个合力哪一将会慢地下来月亮, 只有当月亮的速度被这调整下来的时候, V, F 和 R 能以上述的公式保持均衡吗。

2. 你没有证明其他的太阳系起源理论是错误的。
你是正确的。 我没有尝试证明其他的理论如何是错误的。 那一个工作太宽的和太野性。 如果我的被证明权利,其它将会自动地被否决。

当被问行星为什么全部相同的方向的太阳的周围包围的时候, 和在太阳的赤道的相同飞机中,最一般承认的理论告诉人它是他们出生的方式。 他们告诉人哪一甚至在胚胎的状态,他们已经是在相同的飞机中而且在相同的方向包围。

我曾经问学生北极熊为什么是白色的, 他同样地回答:' 他们出生白色的。' 而且我问其他的两极狐狸为什么然后是白色的? 她给予了我一个较好的答案:'他们的父亲和母亲一定是白色的。'

如果我们认为他们的答案是正确的,他们的理论或我们是轻信的。

3. 你如何解释例外, 说有卫星移动顺时针的和冥王星的轨道超出太阳赤道飞机这么多。

我曾经在那里相信在杆北部里面住黑色的或褐色颜色的北极熊。 但是只有白熊生还。 这进化不在一天内被完成。

在那里也存在今天搬进相反的方向的卫星。 他们是黑色的熊。 如果他们需要生还,他们一定将他们自己变成 , 白色的颜色或者他们会是熄灭的。 这进化将不被这几天完成你和我能见到。

变化不可能是重要的。 它不能被我们的眼睛测量也不装置从我们的地球可得现在,我想。 它才能在时间之前被测量, 不藉由生活时间人类当做你的或我。 数百万数年之后,冥王星的轨道现在同样地不如此倾斜。

4.如果你所说的是真实的, 如何来没有在轨道变化方面的观察以前被发现?
轨道变化很困难被装置测量。 而且变化是敏感的。  此外,没有人在世界上以前已经注意这一个问题。 如此没有观察在这一个问题被做,我相信。

5.物理学者和空间工程师已经解决那替换的相等了在空间反对, 有超过 100 年之久, 藉由他们派遣了人到月亮的这些相等。 你然后会说什么?

从日期起牛顿对今天出生, 月亮的轨道变化非常小。 月亮够大来为我们提供一个地方登陆,它不能是正确的地方被解决的相等在地球方面的我们的离开之前定义了。 (该如何在我们需要较进一步的讨论的这一个议题中定义字 '准确性')

6. 如果当你说的时候,轨道改变, 为一个变更轨道现在几点钟时期?
时间时期为一最初顺时针方向的 palnet 将它的轨道换成一个正常的应该遇见一个功能, 我相信, 虽然我立刻不能提供它。 时间应该是数学感的一个无穷的叁数, 因为当减少的时候,零为科里奥利军队是极小的界限价值到达那横断如此行星/卫星的轨道和太阳之间的角度。 在数学感,这个极小的界限 (零) 无法被到达。
那比较大的那横断角度是, 那更重要的变化将会是。 一垂直地包围月亮将会作最重要的倾斜。 倾斜速度应该与如罪 (角度) 的功能的差别系数成比例或相似的。 它不是一个常数。

7.你的分析是粗糙。
是的。 它是一个指引。 更进一步求证活动被需要, 虽然它独自不可能是完成的。

一些问题我们讨论而且辩论不可能如此困难对物理学科学家解决。 因此如果任何的在这里知道任何的这些科学家,我希望你能要求他们的帮忙。 它可能是对科学的一个贡献。

8.你有任何的较进一步的计划到精炼你的文章?
我已经计划实验用定量化精炼我的分析。 我认为我们能在我们的太阳系跑的方式中用铁球来制造一个可观的模型并且跑他们。 估计卫星或者行星有不同的轨道角度,而且我们能见到流动的结果。 而且我希望任何一个有对这一个问题的兴趣人可以帮助证明点。
4#
发表于 2007-1-14 16:07:26 | 只看该作者
我用的翻译软件 有些不顺是吧
至少能帮助理解
5#
发表于 2007-1-14 21:13:51 | 只看该作者
呵呵,理解起来还是有困难
6#
发表于 2007-1-14 22:25:12 | 只看该作者
这个中文翻译也翻的太...
7#
发表于 2007-1-16 14:05:28 | 只看该作者
我有一本书专门有讲这个话题的,等我放假了,给你们发过来看看
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